GT Sport Season 2 Division 1

Can we please get clear confirmation on this? It's a white line. Either we can cross it or we can't. It just reads as being open to interpretation based on the scenario and not a hard and fast rule.

Never met a Motorsport event that allows you to merge from the pits at a 90 deg angle crossing white lines aiming for a T bone..
You follow the solid lines as you would on track limits on corners

And you’re at Monza this weekend? So most likely the lines will go up passed the brake marker meaning you’re turning in from the inside of the track

I agree, and I think that it's obvious, but it's not how it's written. My point being after the race if someone posts up "my wheel was falling off the mounts", or "my cat jumped across my face" not being valid excuses to absolve responsibility of crossing the line because the briefing asked you to do something as apposed to making it a clear breach.

Driver briefings are to ensure everyone is clear on what's ok and what isn't - and ask questions in a public forum if they're interpreted inconsistently to the rules. Rules are supposed to be black and white. I'm getting a lot of "grey area unless protested" from this series.

I get that it's supposed to be a fun series, but this stuff isn't hard to police so we can all race fairly and enjoy the competition.

Crunch, is that you?

THe greys come from the site moderators being conservative, the racing generally runs itself in that regard anyway never had an issue with someone exiting the lane as it’s common merging courtesy which rooz has heaps of courtesy.

You can’t even police it either this entire forums based on gentlemen, I say our Moderator team are rather relaxed and on the fence but at the same time they’re never going to actually harshly do someone they want an environment for everyone from Australia and New Zealand for some strange reason

Stu, hat, ad, enmo and other mods do their best to make this a competitive environment whilst pleasant, during GTPES a real life Nazi simulator series like youd enjoy I got a 10 minute pit lane stop penalty for not having a number on my car,

I think you need to stop worrying about this rule or protesting him annoying him calling that bloke out and just race

To have fun on this site it’s a basic formula
- don’t cut corners
- crash into someone readdress
- racing room
- obey lines
I’m coming up to my 5th millionth year here and basically it’s going as good as it’s going to get

I wish i could like this comment more than once! Spot on and well said

Can I add further, I dont see how that is in any way open to interpretation? It clearly says “Please use the pit exit lane”, the latter is obviously just a general statement as to once you are past the pit exit lane, be aware of cars coming?

You're still missing my point. I need to see those words from @Hatfield . I personally have no issue and I think the answer is simple and clear cut. But the rules in this series are either poorly written, or extremely well written to subtly protect the ROOZ fraternity.

You say the league is based on 'gentlemen' yet half the members lost their minds when Jono shared a tyre wear glitch, and the first chicane cut advantage at Monza was exposed. They all screamed to turn off tyre wear and switch out Monza because they couldn't trust their fellow members to follow the rules. And yet here I am being critiqued on my questioning of clarity to ensure nobody is treated unfairly or handicapped.

This is a simple discussion on clarity of fact. Not judgement on others or personal opinion. I appreciate the time and effort it took to address your interpretation of my concerns, but you've missed my intentions entirely.

HAHAHAHA its a conspiracy i tells ya. to say 'I personally have no issue', followed by a couple of paragraphs stating your issue is just an absolute laugh.

relax man for crying out loud. its a forum/club/website where people come to race. if you want to go look at every little detail and make suggestions to fix it, then gather your info, make a Conversation with ALL of the mods and try and get it fixed (if you think its all so bad) instead of running all these wacky accusations of protecting the 'ROOZ Fraternity" (lol) on the public forum. it doesnt help anyone and only brings in a whole bunch of un needed responses to the convo. (including this one here)

Actually incorrect/missing number was a warning, however stacked team warnings after 5 saw 'stop and hold' penalties, of which 9 warnings was an 8 minute stop and hold, any furter would see team disqualification.
If you wish to rip on the real life Nazi simulator, we wish that you do so with accuracy so that others who think 4 wheels must remain on or between the white lines, can find each other and live in their Nazi utopia.
Seriously we all know the real problem was that definition of track limits was absolutely appalling making track limit warnings stack to dangerous levels immediately, especially since they carried forward from qualy and that was just a bad time.

But you did see those words when he wrote “please use the exit lanes”

I get the issue - the use of "please" implies a request not a command. A request is open to refusal while a command is not. Using "must" is a clear directive that something MUST happen, while please indicates it MAY happen, or SHOULD happen, but not MUST happen.
@Mezign The use of please exists because stewards were painted into a corner in GT6 season 12 at Tokyo, with wording trying to force the penalising of 22 people across all divisions for crossing pit lines (with a penalty that was far too severe), which had occurred after a review and re-writing of the rules in an effort to provide a clearer picture of how stewarding would work. The result was even more complaining than before, however stewards ruled against the prescribed penalties and as such the wordings of things have changed to allow common sense stewarding to take place when needed.

I just want track limit rules that tastes like real track limit rules

YASSSSS!

I agree with that... and likewise disagree with the T5 at Nurgburgring ruling that I noted you breaching - but do understand that it was easier to police a standard ruling for all corners that make exceptions for some... but, only if that policing is going to be followed through with religiously. This is my only issue.

Thanks @StigsTC . This was exactly my point, yet articulated with greater clarity. I think that if we're not going to actively police rule breaches we need to introduce a system that allows a more relaxed attitude to stewarding that allows everyone to race fairly and not within interpretation of rules.

Let me put it like this then, if the track limit rules are so poorly defined, how have we made it through 29 seasons and 7 years without any major issue on this before?

*sits down with bucket of popcorn