Discussion in 'Sunday Night Gran Turismo' started by Hatfield, Jan 24, 2019.
Need a replay of that finish holy moley
Lets just say Dazza and myself may have been assisted/hindered by another driver that may have not seen the blue flags for the second half of lap 24...
Had a great race last night, thanks to all! Congrats to the pdium too, well clear of me.
Practise in the week before was telling me that there would be a few in front of me on pace, that only got worse seeing pace on the night prerace! I did a couple of race distances of practise, testing tyres - knew I could make rss last half the race, and fuel last the whole race if need be. This left lots of options open, but I knew using the rss could net me some time above what I lost on a pit stop.
After first lap I was in second and laughed...i knew that meant others just didn't have a good first lap...hang on check my lap time - yeah i didn't have a great lap either. Thought I would be relegated to last after hitting the bus stop wall, and then skidding sideways into the last chicane, wrecking my starting speed of the next lap too. My final lap I took more carefully...and improved half a second, just edging out @Easyprey007...carefully watching his time as he crossed the line, in disbelief as he didn't improve it - his best lap in practise was a second better than mine. Getting 4th in qually changed my mindset - I knew @Matthyus and @VARDZ were quicker than me, didn't know about @Dazza83, but knew most of the others were on mypace or better.
Got off to a flying start, right up the back and touching Johnno, but figured I shouldn't be pushing too hard in the first corner - these guys will be flying away from me soon enough. Was great to be part of the front pack of 4, just keeping in touch with them, and creating a small gap behind me.
Dazza and Vardz both pitted at end of lap one - I thought great, they haven't got a good strategy...mmm wait maybe they do. I figured I will keep racing like I practised, and see what happens. Halfway through lap two, I'm in second with Johnno leading out of my sight - then he comes off the end of the slow hairpin at the bottom of the hill. He was ghosted near the edge of the track, and I made a lazy attempt to go around - not wanting to brake at the start of a big hill, but not wanting to risk hitting him if unghosting happens at a bad time - and I hit him right on the corner, giving him a boost and sending myself spinning. I tell Johnno to keep going, I should have gone around instead of hoping for lucky ghosting. I watch as everyone passes...then to make it worse, I come off 2 corners later by myself - to now be in last place. Johnno tells me to breath. I slow down, and tell myself I can lap faster than some others, and I had yet to try my rss laps - and others were pitting early.
From this point on, I had great fun racing! I passed @robin edwards as he came out of pits behind me, he kept in touch for a few laps before going off on the fast chicane. I caught up to @fezza, who seemed to be off pace, not sure if he had crashed, but like @emmo46, I have seen him make tyres and fuel last ages, so I went past while I could, wondering if his strategy would trump mine - I knew a no stop was viable, not the fastest strategy for me, doesn't mean it wouldn't be for him. I just started to catch Easy and was looking to make a move - then he pitted at lap 11, spoilsport!
I enjoyed a few laps mid field - wondering how far back I would be left after pitting for my RSS. I think RAE was the only one who didn't pass me in the pits. I took on half a lap of fuel, just in case - crossed the line just as 1.3 lap fuel warning came up, better that way than short! I knew that in my testing my RSS lasted 12 laps, though the last couple of laps had slower times - so I knew I couldn't push too hard or they might get a bit slippery.
I can't remember exactly who I caught and when - but was humbling seeing the difference fresh RSS made on everyone elses harder tyres that were getting worn! There were a few spots I caught people half a second in the space of a corner or two.
Then I caught up to @Easyprey007 and @T F Eccles as they changed positions a few times battling each other, I caught up fast, though I knew I would need to be patient to get past - I saw a few opportunities that I let go because it would have been too close - that fast chicane is hard enough to keep 170-180 yet alone overtake as well, even though I had the momentum on Easy! I saw I gained on both of them on the first bend but was never close enough to make a move. I ended up overtaking Easy and Colin the same way - came out of the fast chicane well, then used the slipstream to amplify the gain, confidently hit my brake marker on the first corner knowing I could make some distance accerating out of it - wondering if my TCS0 was in any of my advantage. I watched the replay of these two moves later - and is not so clear after all - almost looks like a simple dive bomb! Turns out choosing left or right corner entry to that first corner makes a huge difference.
I did get back past Fezza at some point - but he ended up pitting at lap 22 - so I guess that was a fuel miscalculation? Might have otherwise been very close to beating Easy. Dazza ran his RSS right to the wire - well done making those last the distance!
Poor RAE got caught up getting lapped in the last half of the last lap - which I know can be hard to judge - do you stay on the racing line so that you are predictable, the faster racers know how to get around a car...or do you move off line, get out of the way and cruel your own lap/ race time? 20/20 hindsight isn't so obvious in race, I don't envy that position!
Edit - cause this isn't long enough already, kudos to me for not crashing into the bus stop, and looks like we didn't have any connection/ lag issues all night, great news!
In all - TLDR - Crashed, bummed, then had fun overtaking everyone, pitted, overtook everyone again. Didn't stand a chance against the podium but it didn't matter!
Yes i know what you mean. There was a couple of places I could've passed @fezza earlier had I been a bit more assertive but didn't for fear of sending him off. In the end patients won out as I waited for his tyres to deteriorate.
You get out of the way. Just move right off to the edge and slow down if required to let them pass without impeding them on a corner etc
there was one instance where I gave room and was slammed for being there and punted across track sideways into Rae.
Just after that is when I made the mistake and bumped you of track. I so need to forget that race.
It did not alter the result it just made it a hellava lot closer so it is no biggie really. I will get a video up of the final lap tonight when i get home
tone is missing from my post. I am just making a point to reply to tfeccles who wasn't sure what to do in a situation
And the point could be may from the video of what not to do when the leaders are approaching
As someone who gets lapped on a constant basis, wether it be Sim Racing or Kart racing, all I ever try and do is stay out of anyone’s way. In sim racing you are able to look in reverse. Use that function as often as you can if you know someone is coming up behind you. It will hinder your race, but that’s just something you need to accept when you’re at the back. And, at the end of the day, mistakes happen. If you do make an error and hinder someone’s race, it’s best to just apologise and move on. If that’s not good enough in Div 4 of a Sim League, then the other guy needs to calm his farm. No one gets hurt, no one gets damage.
That’s the good thing about Karting though. There’s no blue flags and no rear view mirrors and you’re encouraged not to look over your shoulder. That’s the only time it’s acceptable to stay on your line I think. It’s on the guy behind to pass safely.
Here is the final few corners of the Division 4 Round 1 battle for the win.
looked to me like @robin edwards was trying to stay out of the way there and then even got off the racing line on corner exit but @Dazza83 was also trying the overtake on the right so it just happened like that.
Eh? I think you might have confused me with Vardz there. I was talking making a pass not getting out of the way of one.
lol sorry i actually meant @Tristan Jones
I got interrupted twice during the right-left-right section so had a couple of offs, so I was way behind and thought I should pit for RSS to try them out. It was obviously too late by that stage. I'll be pitting much earlier for softs next time since RH last way too long and not worth it to keep on.
It will be interesting to see everyones tyre/ pit strat for Big Willow - driving style can make for a big difference in tyre wear here, just because a tyre lasts when you are practising might not mean they last in race if you push hard. I did a race distance last night on a few tyres and still need more testing!
Yes I found tyre wear about 50% greater in the race. Glad I didn't go with RSS as they were marginal in testing and would have been useless late in the race. Big Willow is worse for tyre wear.
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Issue for me was the blue flags came out from the beginning of the lap. As soon as I got behind him, I started to feel the performance loss. Lost over 2 secs on that lap. Was worried to push and dive past him as wasn't sure what would happen.
End of the day it didn't effect the outcome. But dam it was stressful.
Ever blue flag scenario is different but last lap with 1 and 2 behind you and not battling anyone if it was me I personally woulda lifted on the back straight.
sounds like your first race had a bunch of new situations to experience! good luck at willow, I heard you don't particularly enjoy it and @VARDZ considers it a favorite so it should make it interesting