PCARS Stewards group

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    Hi all, just an early heads up that the stewards group will be changing for the upcoming season across all platforms.
    The changes will be pretty simple, but will involve each platform being responsible for the protests in their own leagues.

    At this stage steward groups will be the following. If stewards move from their platform we will assess if a replacement is needed
    - PCARS will be myself @Ad2mny and @garyw61.
    - GTS will be @Hatfield @JonoStan96 @Viperzed @emmo46
    - F1 will be JonoStan96 Hatfield Viperzed
    - Koastr will be the appeals steward and his decision will be final.

    The reason we have changed is due to the differences in the games / platforms, making it difficult at times for stewards from another game to make informed decisions based on game physics, track characteristics and lag issues.

    The penalty table will be used in PCARS as a general guide only, with penalties for grey areas being adjusted where there may be a penalty required.
    The process will remain the same in terms of the following
    - if a driver want to protest a race incident they must make us aware by PM before midnight the following monday.
    - we will request a video from the drivers involved
    - we will make the driver being protested against aware of the protest so they can prepare a defence if they feel they need to
    - Once the result is handed down, any appeal will be forwarded to koastr and his decision will be final.
    - the results will be posted in the stewards thread with the ruling as to why or why not there was any penalty applied.

    The original idea of how we did the stewards group for the last few seasons was to try to make things easier, however it seemed to make the work load bigger for more people and as volunteers, that wasnt the best outcome.
    I would like to thank hatfield, viperzed, gary, jono, ad2mny, emmo and koastr for their efforts as a groupover the last 6 months. I hope that reverting back somewhat makes things a little easier for us on each platform.

    Its a good chance to remind all entrants, on all platforms, that our OVER RIDING GOAL is to try to provide clean league racing for all those who enter. Contact is to be avoided at all costs, and track limits are to be obeyed at all times. All long term members know the drill, all new members will be filled in as we get closer to season start.
    Essentially, if you hit someone and gain an advantage, give the spot back !


    We will be more specific on this in the driver briefings before each round....
    Thanks
    Mod team and stewards group
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    PROTEST : Division 1 - Season 2 - ROUND 1
    Protest against nigegunz for contact on lap 1, round 1 Laguna seca.

    Was agreed by stewards that the accident was caused by Nige swerving left into the path of Sub and AOC, (after car in front checked up a little) causing an accident that involved 5 cars. Collision was also due to false start from Nige, which was penalised in game via a drive through penalty, which was served.
    Nige also redressed the contact at the end of lap 1.

    A 20 second penalty awarded post race (approx drive through) for contact causing an accident.
    Nigegunz apology was noted, as was his admission of fault, so time penalty all that is required at this time.
    Also noted that apology was accepted by SubGT and AOC.
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    PROTEST ROUND 2 - RHINO - Autech91
    Protest lodged by rhino for contact made by Autech on final lap of Round 2 / Texas Road
    Rhino VIew

    Autech View

    Autech found guilty of contact causing an accident and given 10 sec 'suspended' penalty for 1 race, served at sprint round

    - Autech admitted fault in the contact, and has accepted the penalty
    - Redressed straight away
    - was noted the change of line from Rhino in defending the corner and also a lack of leaving a little race room.
    - both team cars, and both suffered loss of points in teams champ due to contact.
    - Rhino response both on track and after the race was noted and he has received a warning
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    PROTEST ROUND 2 - BLUEBOUNTY - SHANE PRIMERA - ROUND 2 TEXAS ROAD
    Contact made by Shane on Bounty, lap 1


    ShanePrimera found guilty of non redressed contact, causing Bounty to lose position.
    10 Second penalty applied to Shanes race time, dropping from 4th to 7th.
    - Shane admitted fault in the contact
    - was agreed no intent in contact
    - Stewards agreed was in the lower range of contact and 10 sec was fair penalty
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    Incident involving Natmanscoop and T_B_williams - RAUPUNA


    Was queried as to whether Natman could be reinstated position after being hit by TB Williams in the final corner, with the result being natman stuck on his roof, unable to recover.

    Was agreed that the initial lose and crash was all on Natman, and contact with TB was not his fault.
    Due to the contact being accidental, and the fact that natman didnt have a reset button mapped, was agreed that the result will stand as an accident.
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    INCIDENT INVOLVING FATMIX and ANTMEG
    - Round 4 at Monza
    Fatmix replay

    Antmeg replay

    The stewards group have reviewed both replays supplied and have come up with the following conclusion.
    - Race results and positions will stand
    - A suspended 10 second penalty for antmeg for 1 race. This means that there is no penalty applied for the race at Monza, however if there will be a 10 second penalty for driving infringements in the next round at Dubai. We came up with this decision for the following reasons.
    - We agreed that the turn 1 'cut' was part of the race start issues and was to avoid contact with cars who had turned into the first part of the chicane
    - the suspended penalty is for positions gained through the cut, without a clear attempt to redress.
    - Was agreed The contact with fatmix was due to position gained from the turn 1 cut, HOWEVER Antmeg was already heading towards the fence after contact with Dosy, and fatmix was tagged as antmeg went across the track.
    - Was agreed that Antmeg didnt really have time to redress once through T2, as the accident happened just 100m after the exit of T2, and along with the congested lap 1 traffic, would be unrealistic to expect Antmeg to redress before the contact happened.
    - This is why we felt a time penalty for the race would be very harsh, and a suspended penalty for positions gained would be fairer, even though there was minimal time for a redress..

    @Bounty05, there is no appeal, so you are ok to put up div 3 results.
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    PROTEST From Bathurst Round 6.
    @Blue XR8 and @Ant_427

    Contact queried on last lap of race at Turn 2.
    Unfortunately no reply available as all those who saved the replay had it stop on lap 19, one lap short of the incident.

    Due to this, the protest has been dismissed.
    @Bounty05
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    PROTEST involving @v8power383 and Urdon4 Round 1 at Dubai
    Was contact involving both drivers but the only view available is shown below provided by V8


    Was agreed by stewards that there appeared to be contact to the rear of V8s car, but how and why was inconclusive.
    Therefore no penalty could be applied.
    @Bounty05
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    Round 1 Dubai Season 6.
    Protest involving @AOCleaner74 for track limits
    Was determined that consistent driving outside of track limits would see his position drop from 5th to last place.

    Was agreed that the track limit breaches were not necessarily gaining a big advantage hence the reason there was no DSQ
    Fastest lap was also on a 'cut' lap, so has been withdrawn, and awarded to next fastest driver.

    AO has accepted the penalty
    @Bounty05
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    DUBAI Round 1 FASTEST LAP DIV 2

    Was found that @Blue XR8 fastest lap had 2 spots that exceeded track limits, and therefor the fastest lap was invalid.

    Stewards agreed that point will go to @Urdon4, after confirmation his lap was clean.

    @Bounty05
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    PROTEST ROUND 1 DUBAI -
    @anne and @colin-50_
    Was found that Colin re-entered the track without due care and made contact with anne, taking her off track when in the lead of the race.

    Stewards agreed that penalty will be a suspended 1 race 10 point penalty for the contact and an official warning for careless driving. col has accepted the penalty
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    Div 1 - Sprint round - Troppermatt / Hayne66 / slambobagen
    Race 2 - Willow Springs

    Still trying to source conclusive video of incident
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    Div 1 - Sprint Round - AOCleaner / T_B_Williams
    Race 1 - Willow Springs

    Original Stewards decision has gone to appeal (koastr) - original decision upheld

    Penalty to AOCleaner will be position swap with TB for race 1, TB moves to 9th and AOC to 10th
    - Was agreed that the re-entry from AOC WAS NOT reckless, and it was clear that AOC was attempting to rejoin in line with the front straight
    - In joining the track the car appears to spin with a combination of throttle and the bump where the track and dirt join
    - From the view from TBs car, you can see that AOC appears to be joining to the left, and all would have been good until the spin in attempting to come back to the track.
    - Was clear to the stewards that TB pulls hard right to avoid contact with AO, and was also agreed that contact would have been avoided if the spin didnt happen
    - Was agreed that given the contact was the result of an off track and spin, that a redress was appropriate, which was complicated even more by the fact that TB was forced into the pitlane during the spin.
    - AO appealed the original decision. The original decision was upheld
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    Div 1 - Sprint Round - T_B_Williams / Kwaka
    Race 2 - Willow Springs


    - Stewards agreed was a racing incident for which Kwaka cant be held fully accountable.
    - Was noted that TB started a slide on the exit of turn 3, (7 sec in video) after a very slight touch with (red car) which slid his car from the right to the left of the track.
    - TB was then off line, and from Kwaka's view, he had 'reasonable' cause to believe there was a gap to make a pass into turn 4.
    - We agreed that while there was contact to the side of TBs car, and both lost positions because of the contact, whole blame could not be put on Kwaka for the incident, and therefore we rule it a racing incident.
    - T_B_Williams has accepted the decision
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