GT Sport Season 15 Division 2

Discussion in 'GTLOZ Past Seasons' started by Hatfield, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Apex_64

    Apex_64 Professional

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    Your just giving two alternatives at either end of the scale. Nobody has said zero tyre wear.
    There is a happy medium in the middle.
    I do not think it is authentic racing to have to conserve tyres rather than genuinely race.
    It is also not genuine to have tyres deteriorate virtually lap by lap, having to continually adjusting brake points etc, it is hard to find rhythm.
    Lap speeds do not drop off in "real racing" at the %rate we are using, or is the difference in lap speeds from fastest to lap before pitting so large.
    We are being forced to drive on rims because of specs.
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  2. ScottPye20

    ScottPye20 Rookie Gold Member

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    An outright sprint round where tyre wear doesn't come into it is authentic. They are not endurances and shouldn't be treated as such. Speeding up the tyre wear to promote strategy in a 45 minute race is the wrong methodology IMO.
    This is exactly why I struggle with this format. You can't be consistent because you don't know what the tyres will do next. It's hard to constantly adjust.
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  3. UrsineSaturn9

    UrsineSaturn9 World Champion Gold Member

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    No, but having the wear rates the same / similar each season is wrong. Variety is the spice of life. Plus it gives us all something to complain about*, erm I mean to discuss civilly :D
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  4. ScottPye20

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    Haha funny. You can't adjust the tyre wear season to season in real life. Do you hear drivers complaining about that? No!
  5. Apex_64

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    Variety comes from, tracks chosen, car chosen and compound of tyre.
    Varying tyre wear rates to the point controller drivers and less skilled drivers are struggling is I think pointless. ROOZ season racing never did this until FIA tyre rate influence. We had two midweek series with high tyre wear, so it has been utilised. Season racing used to be on x1 for my 1st 3yrs, still had strat, still had tyre management, through smart specs.
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  6. T F Eccles

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    Yes you can. You have the tyre manufacturer create a compound that wears faster or doesn't have as much compound to begin with so that it doesn't last the whole race. F1 does this, Supercars have done it. F1 is even madating you start on your quali tyres.
    Drivers and teams have complained about it but on the whole they just get on with it.
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  7. ScottPye20

    ScottPye20 Rookie Gold Member

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    But they don't lose 3 seconds worth of lap time over 25 minutes
  8. CaptainRisky21

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    No matter what we do, people will complain. Simply can't please everyone. Run low wear, there's no strategy so people without outright pace drop off. Other end of the spectrum and controller guys who can't save tyres disappear. There isn't a happy medium, if there was we'd have found it by now.

    The discussion is always good though
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  9. ScottPye20

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    Well if you can't please everyone you can at least give them choice. We should have a bi-weekly endurance league (races 1 hour 30 to 2 hours long) and a weekly sprint series (25 to 45 minutes). I think that would go a long way to pleasing as many people as possible. If not maybe we should re-jig the format completely...
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  10. Rangeraus

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    I feel like this thread is snowballing beyond race discussion and minor suggestions
  11. emmo46

    emmo46 Steward Team Raceonoz Gold Member Super ROOZ

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    I love long long fast and flowing corners, I love Big Willow (despite some cruel things happening to me there), I love beating Johnno. I love lower powered predictable cars with mild corner entry oversteer.
    I hate chicanes, I hate high down force unpredictable cars, I hate losing to Johnno, I don't like spearing off into the weeds at Big Willow.
    If you can build next season around that I would be most pleased.:)
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  13. gtkingx

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    ^This

    Oh and with high tyre wear too :D

    Since I've been with Rooz :

    Season 9 - Ferrari GR4 - loved it, perfectly suited to my lack of skills and good track selection
    Season 10 - SF19 - hated it, pulled out pre season as i can't race in cars like that
    Season 11 - that silly Renault? GR X car that loved to spin for no reason at all. hated it, pulled out mid season
    Season 12 - Mazda MX5 - loved it although i wasn't a fan of all the short tracks. Dealt with the tracks and raced the whole season. Was an enjoyable season
    Season 13 - Nissan GR2 - hated it, too fast for me, too fine a line between going fast round a corner and facing the wrong way. Too much skill required. Raced most of the season, can't say I enjoyed it all that much
    Season 14 - Nissan R32 - wasn't a fan, even though this was a car that should have suited me, the handling was just weird and didn't suit me. Raced most of the season but gave up on the last couple of races. Might have enjoyed it more in a lower division
    Season 15 - Finally another season that is perfect for me, great car and great track selection :) :) :)

    You can't please everyone, every season
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  14. CaptainRisky21

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    The groundwork to set up an endurance series like that is immense, just ask @JonoStan96 or @Viperzed.
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  16. ScottPye20

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    It's only hard when you want to balance the cars and drivers. If the series is run like a standard ROOZ event, it wouldn't be that hard. But what do I know?
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    When Jono was running the W.E.T. properly, 1 enduro a month was getting a bit much. I love an enduro as much as the next guy, but dwindling grids would be apparent by the 3rd round if i had to guess. Great idea, just difficult to execute, even if the cars are the same
  18. Matthyus

    Matthyus GTLOZ Results Steward Team Raceonoz Gold Member Super ROOZ

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    Bawhaha!!
    That street goes both ways ;)
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  19. Max Gassit

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    Watched the replay of the race 2 Sardegna. For those that are familiar with ACC, can you imagine how many cars would have faced lengthy pit stops at the end of the lap? GTsport is far from being a simulator. It breeds the mentality of being able to get away with some really questionable driving. We are all capable of poor decisions, some more so and more often than others. Great racing happens when you can trust those around you.
    Hopefully I can rejoin the chaos this next round.
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  20. UrsineSaturn9

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    Something like this from memory
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