Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sunday Night' started by Hatfield, Nov 28, 2016.
Cut Pit Line First Offence penalty changed to 5 secs with second offence at 25secs
Further to Stu's post which is wholly endorsed by the mod team:
ROOZ is founded on NUTURING talent in competitive racing for ENJOYMENT.
Fulfillment, nurturing development, comraderry, etiquette, courtesy, respect, fair and reasonable: are the foundations of the system we abide by. These define a CONSTRUCTIVE CULTURE, which can't be adequately wholly defined in black and white, and those who understand and live these values know if it needs to be written down to great extent it is already lost.
To ensure this foundation of RACING and FUN is the FOCUS, the penalty system is a GUIDELINE for discretion to be applied based on CONTEXT. Generating and enforcing an elaborate system of rules and penalties is a burden that detracts from this focus. Especially given FUN is the only thing at stake here. OK maybe BRAGGING RIGHTS as well.
Case in point: did anyone enjoy their racing less because someone at the other end of the straight or out of sight did or didn't go over a line exiting pits? Is it constructive, fair or reasonable to concern ourselves with this if there is no effect?
Just as it is not fair and reasonable to ban all members discussing these racing 'incidents' on the open forums despite it being a clear breach of R&R item (xxiii) and bordering on breach of the General Rules item 16). Moderator discretion is applied based on the context. Should our approach here also change?
Needless to say the questions above are rhetorical, for now... our energy and focus is much better directed to making our next steer around the next track bigger, better, and of course faster.
So please let's re-align with the values at the core of ROOZ. Finally here is a nice analogy we wrote out the back.
Patrons go down The Pub just for fun, to hang out with their mates and meet some new ones.
There may be some competition but it’s not that serious. There are no entitlements, nor nothing at stake, other than a good time, bragging rights, and the reward of participation. The Pub offers itself freely, for this cause we all enjoy.
The Pub dictates the rules and reserves the right to change them without notice. Like right of refusal, which it exercises regularly to keep riff-raff out for the best interests of the Patron’s safety, and preserving the good times. Some of the rules are written down where Patrons can read and discuss them. Most of them aren’t. Many are simply common etiquette and respect, often based on other discretionary terms like “disorderly” excercised at the collective discretion of The Pub staff. Patrons that make a nuisance of themselves may be asked to change their behaviour, and they usually already know when they have had a few too many.
The Pub can’t control Patrons ego or behaviour, but it can show Patrons the door. At this point it’s usually not up for interpretation or discussions. Fortunately a positive attitude with respect goes a long way at The Pub.
The Pub staff try to keep a positive focus and not always take a hard line, but disputes between Patrons can only go so far before they detract from the staff’s primary function of serving beer. So the The Pub has to draw a line. If The Pub is overwhelmed and can’t serve enough beers, it certainly can’t grow and improve, and may even be at risk of shutting down. To keep this positive outward focus in serving beer, a lot goes on behind the scenes to keep The Pub running.
The Pub doesn’t owe Patrons a beer, or one at the price on the list, the price is at the Pub's discretion. In fact The Pub doesn’t owe Patron’s a price list at all, justification or transparency of pricing, or even a “fair” price. It improves The Pub’s service offering, which The Pub strives for, but Patrons are welcome to get their beer elsewhere, or even start their own pub all the same. Fortunately it’s easy to positively contribute to making this Pub better instead.
Think of ROOZ like The Pub..
…. and you’ll fit right in.
coloured/separated areas for use during second/third etc offences
First offence may be reckless driving.
second offence may be careless driving
BUT a pit line cut would be its own first offence
Please see OP for changes to penalty table
The change is the pit line cut section
We have moved away (for all future races) from the penalty per cut, to the penalty if incident/contact/impeding occurs.
Basically, stewards time was being chewed up looking at pit entries and exit every week when there is little consequence to most cuts.
If you want to cut now, you can just go for it. But if you cause something, you will be penalised.
Update again on pit lines.
They are judged the same as track limits now