GT Sport Season 15 Division 2

Discussion in 'GTLOZ Past Seasons' started by Hatfield, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Matthyus

    Matthyus GTLOZ Results Steward Team Raceonoz Gold Member Super ROOZ

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    from an admin POV, No thanks ... :cry:
  2. Stew Wilson

    Stew Wilson Rookie Gold Member

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    My 2 cents worth is that I see gtkingx putting in alot of time,/miles/laps into every week. So he is reaping the rewards from that hard work. I do selfishly wish he was in div 1...lol......but good luck to him.
    That clarification around why he is in Div 2 above helps.
    I notice he is A+ as well, so he's definitely in another level to me (he qualified faster on RM than I did on RS )
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  3. gtkingx

    gtkingx Team Driver Gold Member

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    I found a daily race that with a car/track combo that suited me and kept repeating it until I hit A+. I think I've only done 2 races since so I don't lose it :whistling::laugh:
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  4. Hatfield

    Hatfield GT7 League & Teams Championship Organiser Team Raceonoz Gold Member Super ROOZ

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    Perhaps we could move you and whoever is in with a realistic shot at the D2 title up into the D1 room but still score point for the d2 table.
    This would fill out the div 1 room, and still allow a title fight for div 2.
    (The argument for races being impacted by cars in a different championship is mute, as this occurs in other multi class series)
    At a glance the guys fighting for the div 2 title are:
    @gtkingx
    @TUBBSTER22
    @UrsineSaturn9
    @Hatfield

    The only negative I see is the div 2 field then becomes small
  5. Matthyus

    Matthyus GTLOZ Results Steward Team Raceonoz Gold Member Super ROOZ

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    Room 2. Div 2 overall is still larger than current D1.
    We are just creating an illusion of a full room ;)
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  6. UrsineSaturn9

    UrsineSaturn9 World Champion Gold Member

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    Yeah, that discussion went about how I thought it would. My take home message was from @Matthyus "suck it up and get on with it!"
    The suggestions / discussions are good, but I'm against changing anything significantly mid season. The empty room "problem" can be solved, but of course creates new ones.

    So back to the discussion, no @T F Eccles we didn't try that in S13 as divisions still existed. So long as they do (and not saying they're a bad thing) there will always be the appeal to race in the top of a lower division than at the bottom of a higher one. Getting rid of divisions completely will get rid of that, but create other "problems".
    Admin problems aside, I had assumed R1Q and then championship points order to fill the rooms, hence the points cross-over to allow promotion / demotion depending upon performance AND attendance (just thought of a new "problem" there: drop rounds go out the windows and/or you'll forever be on the back foot if you miss a round early....)
  7. Stew Wilson

    Stew Wilson Rookie Gold Member

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    Ive tried that, still not good enough. in fact I love the GR3 Porsche at Catlunya, I did a few races and got punted 4 times in a row, lost DR and my SR went from 99 to 80.....LMAO
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  8. UrsineSaturn9

    UrsineSaturn9 World Champion Gold Member

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    Haven't done a daily on my main account for some time. Just did first FIA in almost 2 months (I used to do them a lot more). Might do more now that the time table has moved back later
  9. T F Eccles

    T F Eccles Professional Gold Member

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    OK so Divs existed but the rooms were filled from top down based on the previous race finish time. It didn't always work but it seemed to balance the relative lobby pace. It's been said before but is worth repeating, the Divs essentially exist due to the room limit of 16 entrants etc etc.

    So, what do you do? Run a qualifier before each round to set the room entry lists? Might work, but quali pace doesn't always equal race pace/race craft etc. It's complex issue and is going to take some "tihin'in Baba Looey".
  10. CaptainRisky21

    CaptainRisky21 World Champion Gold Member

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    Personally i don't want a heap of div 2 boys in the div 1 lobby, for no other reason than the fact that if one of the d1 boys make a mistake and end up behind the d2 boys, there is always confusion over whether to concede the place or race for it. I'd rather a dwindling grid of competitive close racing than a full grid where we're afraid to pass because of a separate c'ship.
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  11. NAACS

    NAACS Professional

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    Quick understanding question.
    Which division is short of driver’s, again?
    Last edited: May 31, 2021
  12. UrsineSaturn9

    UrsineSaturn9 World Champion Gold Member

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    Just one qually to set grid and rooms for round 1 (and grid position I reckon), after that rooms set by championship rank (for the entire league - no divisions). Only problem as I mentioned is the drop rounds, so if you miss round 1 and get zero points, then that idea falls over.
    In other words, suck it up and leave things as they are (which I agree). This "problem" wouldn't exist if divisions didn't exist as everyone would be competing to get as high up the ranking table as possible. The word "Division" means to divide right? Which it indeed does and creates a bit of an "us" and "them" mentality
    There was a driver notably absent from Div 2 last night..... :rolleyes:
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  13. CaptainRisky21

    CaptainRisky21 World Champion Gold Member

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    The division that's short of drivers is besides the point, if div 3 was having attendance issues the same questions would be asked, except it would involve both div 2 and 4. It just so happened that notable FIA events (Olympics/FIA World Tour) came up during the recent past, which a lot of the Div 1 boys have a realistic shot at making.
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  14. Apex_64

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    I agree with you 100%.
    I think i ignited this by suggesting I fill up the back of the Div1 grid rather than race in Div2 where apart from GT there is a gr8 podium championship battle. I have pulled over twice to avoid affecting Div2 championship. Hat did not reply to my suggestion, instead suggesting 4 top Div2 go up.
    Do you mind me racing when/if I can at rear of Div1. If I think for eg. I am too slow in 1st sprint race I will not start in 2nd and be a roadblock problem. I also always let faster guys pass after a mistake or different strat as you have experienced racing with me.
    @Hatfield can you reply as living in Victoria:rolleyes: I will most likely be able to race this week.
    Last edited: May 31, 2021
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  15. Hatfield

    Hatfield GT7 League & Teams Championship Organiser Team Raceonoz Gold Member Super ROOZ

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    lol sorry. Yeah you can run in whichever room you like.
    Streaming isn't happening in div 1 at the moment anyway as Demo1 has PC issues, so the grid issue with it being streamed is a mute point too.

    Also @NAACS texted me that he couldn't make it pre-race during the day
  16. NAACS

    NAACS Professional

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    So div1 will be full this round?
  17. CaptainRisky21

    CaptainRisky21 World Champion Gold Member

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    Highly doubt it
  18. NAACS

    NAACS Professional

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    Yeqh aint that going to be the truth for another season.
  19. CaptainRisky21

    CaptainRisky21 World Champion Gold Member

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    What's your point here mate? Things come up mid season that can render people unavailable on a Sunday night, people also become disinterested in the game. You've said multiple times that you'll never race in Div 1 also, so there's that to consider too.
  20. UrsineSaturn9

    UrsineSaturn9 World Champion Gold Member

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    Looks like the point was to try and get a rise out of someone. Seems successful. Thanks @NAACS for your well thought out contribution to the discussion