GTS S9 - Fastest Laps & Race Times

StigsTC · Dec 24, 2019

Matthyus said: ↑

What Jono said
But in reality, S1, S2, S5 and S6 were the seasons were where no one beat your times, either FL or RT.
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But what season was the gap from Keeden to 2nd bigger than any other season?
FOllowed by which season had the largest average delta to Div 1 runners? I suspect the two will not be the same, but probably S1 for the first as nobody could even think about touching him.

Matthyus · Dec 25, 2019

StigsTC said: ↑

But what season was the gap from Keeden to 2nd bigger than any other season?
FOllowed by which season had the largest average delta to Div 1 runners? I suspect the two will not be the same, but probably S1 for the first as nobody could even think about touching him.
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That's going to be a question to be answered when I'm back home.
But who wants to touch keeden...

Matthyus · Dec 28, 2019

Biggest gap from Keeden to 2nd is:
S3 - 1.000343846 to 1.009374534 (.0089% slower / gap)- MINT_Matt (The GR2 Lexus), followed by
EDIT -
S1 - 1.008769884 (.0087% slower / gap) - StigsTC (GR3 Porsche), followed by
S2 - 1.008248945 (.0082% slower / gap) - Risky (GR4 Mustang)

Closest seasons are
S9 - 1.000876174 to 1.001800955 (.0009% slower / gap) - FSR_DB007
S4 - 1.000123141 to 1.001734653 (.0016% slower / gap) - MINT_Matt
S5 - 1.002920197 (.0029% slower / gap) - MINT_Matt

In between results
S7 - 1.000080831 to 1.007544783 (.0074% slower / gap) - ChopperDog
S8 - 1.000027618 to 1.006366972 (.0063% slower / gap) - Jono

Odd result
S6 - Equal - StigsTC - This was when Keeden didn't race but Stigs stepped in and won in the only race he raced that season.
Since Stigs only raced 1 race, I'll use the next data point which is
1.007336686 (.0073% slower / gap) - Bryan

What do you mean by

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FOllowed by which season had the largest average delta to Div 1 runners?.
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StigsTC · Dec 27, 2019

I forgot about S6 lol, yeah that one clearly doesn't count as I never raced keeden just kept every other runner out of pos 1.
Similarly in S1, LionFace also never raced Keeden, his only appearance was when Keeden missed Dragon Trail.

Very interesting that seasons 1-2-3 were the biggest gaps, but seasons 4 and 5 were top 3 for close competition, both a road car and Gr.1 car, was it regulation changes to spice up racing or just drivers that closed the gap?

What I meant by the quote was, not just keeden to 2nd, but a look at keeden vs say the Division 1 field, or probably for the best read something like a sum of the gap from Keeden to 2nd, Keeden to 3rd etc until you have all drivers in the competitive Div 1 midfield covered, divided by the number of drivers used.
So in a season where position 2-6 were close, you'd expect a lower average gap from Keeden to Div 1, but in a season where it was Keeden, clear 2nd place, then the rest you'd see a bigger average.
So for example in season 2, which had the 2nd largest Keeden to 2nd gap, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th were all very close to each other. I was interested to see if that kind of close grouping would ultimately affect how competitive the entire Division was compared to Keeden.
Why I asked you instead of crunching this one myself with your data is simply you have a better grasp of where that competitive midfield ends, and where drivers' pace was not representative of the division they were placed in, which would skew results.
Seriously loving your analysis here, really interesting to see how the trends have played out with drivers, cars and regulation tweaks.

Matthyus · Dec 27, 2019

StigsTC said: ↑

I forgot about S6 lol, yeah that one clearly doesn't count as I never raced keeden just kept every other runner out of pos 1.
Similarly in S1, LionFace also never raced Keeden, his only appearance was when Keeden missed Dragon Trail.

Very interesting that seasons 1-2-3 were the biggest gaps, but seasons 4 and 5 were top 3 for close competition, both a road car and Gr.1 car, was it regulation changes to spice up racing or just drivers that closed the gap?

What I meant by the quote was, not just keeden to 2nd, but a look at keeden vs say the Division 1 field, or probably for the best read something like a sum of the gap from Keeden to 2nd, Keeden to 3rd etc until you have all drivers in the competitive Div 1 midfield covered, divided by the number of drivers used.
So in a season where position 2-6 were close, you'd expect a lower average gap from Keeden to Div 1, but in a season where it was Keeden, clear 2nd place, then the rest you'd see a bigger average.
So for example in season 2, which had the 2nd largest Keeden to 2nd gap, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th were all very close to each other. I was interested to see if that kind of close grouping would ultimately affect how competitive the entire Division was compared to Keeden.
Why I asked you instead of crunching this one myself with your data is simply you have a better grasp of where that competitive midfield ends, and where drivers' pace was not representative of the division they were placed in, which would skew results.
Seriously loving your analysis here, really interesting to see how the trends have played out with drivers, cars and regulation tweaks.
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I'll see if I understand what you mean and get something out together.

Matthyus · Dec 28, 2019

Now for the fun bit..
Gap from Keeden to Midfield Div1

S1 - Midfield (9 racers), Motors, Risky, SSman, Knuckles, Bryan, Norm, Razor, Jono, Party.
AVG - 1.016939884
I omitted Lionface and TNR_5zigen due to only racing 1 race ea.
I omitted StigsTC (6 rounds) and Mezign (3 rounds) as you both were a cut above

S2 - Midfield (14)- Risky, thestig13, Mez, StigsTC, Hat, Norm, Bryan, Motors, Mustafur, Party, SSman, Apex, Jono, Razor
AVG - 1.01202465
No omissions as there appeared to be a single pack, plus Keeden

S3 - Midfield (9) - thestig13, Norm, Bass, Bryan, Hat, Chopper, Jono, Party, Xlxy
AVG - 1.016955428
Omitted - Mint - Was by far by himself.
NOTE - Only thestig13 and Norm managed to break into the current Div1 pace range.. All others were 17 to 19.

S4 - Midfield (11) - Norm, Knuckles, Party, Bryan, Razor, Risky, Holden, Hat, Viper, Naacs, Motors
AVG - 1.010490359
Omitted - Mint, xlxy - Mint was once again fighting for that podium, but was by himself. Xlxy was another standout, but was inbetween the top group, but infront on the pack.

S5 - Midfield (5) - Jono, Razor, Hat, Bryan, Risky - Very small field that seemed competitive.
AVG - 1.015341763
Omitted - Mint, Bass - As above. Mint and Bass were out in front of the pack, but were most likely by themselves indivudually.

S6 - Midfield (12) - Bryan, Xlxy, SSman, Viper, Razor, jmillsy, Hat, Risky, Jono, Norm, Nox, Motors
AVG - 1.010280211
Omitted - StigsTC - Ran 1 race not against Keeden
NOTE - The first 4 names above, were in their own group. If separated the figures are thus:
Group 1 - 1.007753075 / Group 2 - 1.011543779

S7 - Midfield (8) - Chopper, Bryan, Razor, SSman, Groover, Risky, Norm, Pubs
AVG - 1.010926908
No omissions
NOTE - Chopper and Bryan were in their own group.
Group 1 - 1.008002309 / Group 2 - 1.011901774

S8 - Midfield (12) - Jono, Mint, SSman, Xlxy, Viper, X3, Chopper, Bryan, Apex, Hat, Pubs, Razor
AVG - 1.011252498
No omissions
NOTE - Jono and Mint played with themselves.
Group 1 - 1.006475778 / Group 2 - 1.012207842

S9 - Midfield (19) Yes 19... - DB007, Mint, Xlxy, Viper, Bryan, Groover, ShakeWakNei, TKM23, X3, Chopper, Naacs, Hat, Razor, gtkingz, Nemo, Bigkev, Apex, Pubs, Risky. Yes there are NON Div1 racers here. The times this season were wonderfully tight. I'll do an inclusive, then 1 omitting NON Div 1 racers.
AVG - 1.00954776 - the closest of ALL Seasons.
NOTE - DB007 and Mint were in a group by themselves, out in front of the rest. Xlxy was in between DB and Mint and the pack.
Group 1 (2) - 1.00189173 / Group 2 (1) - 1.005875444 / Group 3 (16) - 1.010734284
Div 1 only - (14) - 1.009153356
Non Div 1 - (5) - 1.010652093

S9 was by far the closest racing in the top end that I've seen.
Even from fastest to slowest, the gap is by far a lot smaller than it has been in cars of the same Group. We only had 4 racers in the 1.04 range, which normally is not the slowest, but this season it was. The Competition overall is getting better and faster, as evident by my own personal effort at a PB in pace, yet still managed to stay in the same spot in the overall rankings of pace.

I hope this is what you were chasing mate.
I must admit, Excel is wonderful

emmo46 · Dec 28, 2019

Matthyus said: ↑

S9 was by far the closest racing in the top end that I've seen.
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Good choice of car and tracks then?

JonoStan96 · Dec 28, 2019

Matthyus said: ↑

Now for the fun bit..
Gap from Keeden to Midfield Div1

S1 - Midfield (9 racers), Motors, Risky, SSman, Knuckles, Bryan, Norm, Razor, Jono, Party.
AVG - 1.016939884
I omitted Lionface and TNR_5zigen due to only racing 1 race ea.
I omitted StigsTC (6 rounds) and Mezign (3 rounds) as you both were a cut above

S2 - Midfield (14)- Risky, thestig13, Mez, StigsTC, Hat, Norm, Bryan, Motors, Mustafur, Party, SSman, Apex, Jono, Razor
AVG - 1.01202465
No omissions as there appeared to be a single pack, plus Keeden

S3 - Midfield (9) - thestig13, Norm, Bass, Bryan, Hat, Chopper, Jono, Party, Xlxy
AVG - 1.016955428
Omitted - Mint - Was by far by himself.
NOTE - Only thestig13 and Norm managed to break into the current Div1 pace range.. All others were 17 to 19.

S4 - Midfield (11) - Norm, Knuckles, Party, Bryan, Razor, Risky, Holden, Hat, Viper, Naacs, Motors
AVG - 1.010490359
Omitted - Mint, xlxy - Mint was once again fighting for that podium, but was by himself. Xlxy was another standout, but was inbetween the top group, but infront on the pack.

S5 - Midfield (5) - Jono, Razor, Hat, Bryan, Risky - Very small field that seemed competitive.
AVG - 1.015341763
Omitted - Mint, Bass - As above. Mint and Bass were out in front of the pack, but were most likely by themselves indivudually.

S6 - Midfield (12) - Bryan, Xlxy, SSman, Viper, Razor, jmillsy, Hat, Risky, Jono, Norm, Nox, Motors
AVG - 1.010280211
Omitted - StigsTC - Ran 1 race not against Keeden
NOTE - The first 4 names above, were in their own group. If separated the figures are thus:
Group 1 - 1.007753075 / Group 2 - 1.011543779

S7 - Midfield (8) - Chopper, Bryan, Razor, SSman, Groover, Risky, Norm, Pubs
AVG - 1.010926908
No omissions
NOTE - Chopper and Bryan were in their own group.
Group 1 - 1.008002309 / Group 2 - 1.011901774

S8 - Midfield (12) - Jono, Mint, SSman, Xlxy, Viper, X3, Chopper, Bryan, Apex, Hat, Pubs, Razor
AVG - 1.011252498
No omissions
NOTE - Jono and Mint played with themselves.
Group 1 - 1.006475778 / Group 2 - 1.012207842

S9 - Midfield (19) Yes 19... - DB007, Mint, Xlxy, Viper, Bryan, Groover, ShakeWakNei, TKM23, X3, Chopper, Naacs, Hat, Razor, gtkingz, Nemo, Bigkev, Apex, Pubs, Risky. Yes there are NON Div1 racers here. The times this season were wonderfully tight. I'll do an inclusive, then 1 omitting NON Div 1 racers.
AVG - 1.00954776 - the closest of ALL Seasons.
NOTE - DB007 and Mint were in a group by themselves, out in front of the rest. Xlxy was in between DB and Mint and the pack.
Group 1 (2) - 1.00189173 / Group 2 (1) - 1.005875444 / Group 3 (16) - 1.010734284
Div 1 only - (14) - 1.009153356
Non Div 1 - (5) - 1.010652093

S9 was by far the closest racing in the top end that I've seen.
Even from fastest to slowest, the gap is by far a lot smaller than it has been in cars of the same Group. We only had 4 racers in the 1.04 range, which normally is not the slowest, but this season it was. The Competition overall is getting better and faster, as evident by my own personal effort at a PB in pace, yet still managed to stay in the same spot in the overall rankings of pace.

I hope this is what you were chasing mate.
I must admit, Excel is wonderful
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I like what you’ve done here, but S5 in the R92CP is really puzzling, how can you have Bass out on his own (out of the mid pack) when he only did one race and was comfortably beaten by Keeden and myself?

Matthyus · Dec 28, 2019

JonoStan96 said: ↑

I like what you’ve done here, but S5 in the R92CP is really puzzling, how can you have Bass out on his own (out of the mid pack) when he only did one race and was comfortably beaten by Keeden and myself?
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Not puzzling, I just didn't look back at that seasons results to really dig deep into the stats.
Now that I have, I can see why he got a lower score than you.
He raced the first race, his only one and came in 3rd a little way behind you.
If based solely on this result, you 3 would still have been out in front with a bit of a gap to 4th and the rest. However we are talking season results.
Since you raced some other races and your last result for that season wasn't great (.026 compared to your Round 5 result of .003 away) That .026 when added to your other results and divided by the races completed (3), gives you a slower / lower overall figure.
With that additional information, although Bass did compete against Keeden, his result should really be omitted as it is only 1 round, compared to your 3.
The same can be said of Stigs single race where Keeden didn't race. Stigs won, but it doesn't really count as we are comparing to Keeden, not the fastest

It is a first pass of data, I could if time permitted dig deeper to see other facts. It also makes it hard not being apart of the different divisions, as you don't get as much info compared to being apart of it all.
There are bound to be others that are out of place.

StigsTC · Dec 28, 2019

@Matthyus that is exactly the analysis I was looking for.
Across all 9 seasons it shows (from least to most competitive midfield vs Keeden)
S3 - 1.0169
S1 - 1.0169
S5 - 1.0153
S2 - 1.0120
S8 - 1.0112
S7 - 1.0109
S4 - 1.0104
S6 - 1.0102
S9 - 1.0095

What it shows is that, the last few seasons have proved pretty competitive compared to the earlier seasons across a bunch of cars. It also showed that contrary to the Keeden to 2nd gap, S5 was a large gap to the midfield while S2 was a closer pack than it looked.
So whatever is going on behind the scenes, combined with drivers improving by doing more racing, the pack is edging its way closer to the front. Granted a 1% gap is still an eternity in racing terms, but coming in from 1.69% is a huge improvement. Its the kind of number crunching that shows the more you race, the better you get, even if sometimes you can't see it reflected in the results.
Great stuff man, thank you for indulging in my statistical curiosity.

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